Originally by: Shun Makoto

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Originally by: Bad Messenger

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FW is not broken.

It is Gallente morale that is broken. They fight back at the beginning in Ladistier, vifrevaert, some parts of verge vendor, in oms were big figts for plexes. But gallente just finally lost so much in those fight that they have no more guts to come in plexes.

Personally i can say that i have had many good fights in fw and most of them in fw plexes.

Today was the first day in fw history when there was moment when there was no gallente plex to capture. All were taken.

You blaim different things and ask this and that, but it is all about gallente people who just does not want to do anything.

Stop whining about fw and go to do something else.

You do not need fw for camping tama nourv gate, it has always been camped by pirates.

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Damn it BM this isn't about Caldari or Gallente.

I said that from the start.

I'm saying we've been abandoned, the Devs don't care about us anymore.

If you don't have anything else to add to this thread but trolling against Gallente then get out. If you post again with another off-topic troll, I'll report you.

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Originally by: Shun Makoto

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Edited by: Shun Makoto on 20/05/2009 22:41:49
Edited by: Shun Makoto on 20/05/2009 22:41:24

Originally by: Bad Messenger

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Devs have not forgot us. They are interested about biggest problem in fw , the fw lag. They were with us in that 'lag op' before apocrypha, but they were busy with apocrypha expansion. I am sure that now they have time to fix that lag issue and they are doing all to get thigs better.

Other issues are minor issues.

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The Devs have forgotten us. The lag hasn't gotten much better, there's no call on SiSi to study it further, I don't see GMs or ISD near our battles when they happen, and there's always forewarning, just pay attention to the militia channels.

But this isn't just about what they've recently said. They said from the beginning they were going to keep working on Factional Warfare, they were going to make it awesome and they were really excited about it and they were going to keep adding in new and exiting things for us, their player base.

Well it seems like CCP was the kid who got the new toy and threw it away when he got bored with it.

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Originally by: EVIL SYNNs

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It ain't broke, your just bored, move on.

Its a sandbox.. no one forces you to do your thing.

You want to see gallente space all blue/green (not sure which is which).
I want to see CCP hosted killboard stats.

FW is great for both these things.

Leave it alone, its fine!!!!!!

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Originally by: Shun Makoto

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Originally by: Bad Messenger

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Originally by: Shun Makoto

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Edited by: Shun Makoto on 20/05/2009 22:41:49
Edited by: Shun Makoto on 20/05/2009 22:41:24

Originally by: Bad Messenger

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Devs have not forgot us. They are interested about biggest problem in fw , the fw lag. They were with us in that 'lag op' before apocrypha, but they were busy with apocrypha expansion. I am sure that now they have time to fix that lag issue and they are doing all to get thigs better.

Other issues are minor issues.

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The Devs have forgotten us. The lag hasn't gotten much better, there's no call on SiSi to study it further, I don't see GMs or ISD near our battles when they happen, and there's always forewarning, just pay attention to the militia channels.

But this isn't just about what they've recently said. They said from the beginning they were going to keep working on Factional Warfare, they were going to make it awesome and they were really excited about it and they were going to keep adding in new and exiting things for us, their player base.

Well it seems like CCP was the kid who got the new toy and threw it away when he got bored with it.

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Has there been really so important battles that those should go to news ?

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I see it that every day a IC report should be released, Factional Warfare should be a Storyline driving feature and it isn't. I mean if you've forgotten we're fighting a War! That's pretty damn important.

When I turn on the TV some of the first stories the News stations report is "Enemies in Such and Such place were taken down by Such and Such Army, more news at eleven"

This game has a rich storyline which should not be forgotten, we participate and shape it.

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Originally by: Meridius Dex

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d.) stuff

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Originally by: Gabriel Darkefyre

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Originally by: Bad Messenger

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Originally by: Meridius Dex

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d.) stuff

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a. This is not so simple thing. Making it possible to war dec whole militia may bring alliances to faction warfare. Getting war dec example from goons to whole militia could be worse than single corp wardecs.
Also being under militia protection could be used to protect your corp against war dec.
So i think ccp has thought this quite well and current situation is only possible option in practise.

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How about a simple solution then? Keep it possible to Wardec Single Corporations within the Militia using the current Mechanics, However Also Add the Following:-

- You Flag as a Valid Target for all members of that Particular Militia and can be shot at without NPC Repercussions (CONCORD / Gate Guns). However, you can only engage members of the Corp you Wardecced UNLESS engaged by another Militia Member in which case you gain aggression to them and can return Fire. I.E. Say you Wardec PERVS, you become a Valid target for the entire Caldari Militia, but you can only shoot PERVS Freely, shooting any other Caldari Militia Member requires them to fire first.

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Originally by: Shun Makoto

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Edited by: Shun Makoto on 21/05/2009 16:44:43

I'm agreeing with Gabriel Darkefyre a lot on his points. And he has good ones.

The WarDec mechanic for FW is something that I too feel must be changed. Being in a fleet and of the Militia and having them not able to help you beyond repping you is just not right in my eyes.

Originally by: Neacail

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Originally by: Meridius Dex

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Pirate corps themselves who are currently enjoying the exploit by which they can attack a soldier from an allied force and kill him right in front of his fellow soldiers, while they are unable to do absolutely anything about it.

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I assume this happens in low sec. So why are they "unable to do absolutely anything about it"? Certainly, they could just attack said 'pirates'.

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But they run a risk, if they attack the pirates they recieve a global criminal countdown and are now open to attack by gate guns. With the amount of Frigates, Destroyers and Cruisers that fly in fleets on all sides this is just not an option.


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Once again I must stress that this is not about a single faction, this is about everyone as players and how I feel we've been slighted by CCP.

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Originally by: Shun Makoto

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Edited by: Shun Makoto on 21/05/2009 16:57:22

Originally by: Bad Messenger

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Hey if i am attacking pirate i am not getting globals, wtf are you talking guys?

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Well technically you're talking about attacking a person with an "Outlaw" Status or a Global Criminal Countdown. We're talking about people committing the act of Piracy

Someone can be a Pirate but not have a Permanent Global Flag

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Originally by: Shun Makoto

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Edited by: Shun Makoto on 21/05/2009 18:31:58
Forgive if I'm wrong but a Corporation that joins the Militias joins the State Protectorate, the Federal Defense Union, 24th Imperial Crusade, or Tribal Liberation Force because these are the Corporations charged by their Governments to run the War?

Are those Corporations not unlike an overlying Executor Corporation?


And if those Corps that join the Militia are indeed Sub Corporations of the Caldari State, Gallente Federation, Amarr Empire, or Minmatar Republic then would not WarDecing us cause those who do so open to attacks by Navy and Customs Ships?

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Originally by: Shun Makoto

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Edited by: Shun Makoto on 21/05/2009 18:37:48
Edited by: Shun Makoto on 21/05/2009 18:37:16
So we are to fight for our State, Empire whatever and they leave us in the dust when we come under attack from outside forces?

That I see as ridiculous.

(I am of course speaking of when we are in High Security space.)

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Originally by: Procopius

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so the biggest mutual problem = lag.

solution = CCP finally springs for another server.


can it be as simple as that?

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Originally by: Kessiaan

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I think it's both good and bad that the Caldari have finally capped all the Gallente systems.

It's good because it will finally force CCP to do fix mechanics that have been broken since FW started. It's bad because they've pretty much guaranteed that occupancy will forever being meaningless, and by extension FW as a whole. Barring a complete overhaul of occupancy mechanics, of course.

Failure to do either of these fairly soon will drive down FW participation even lower than it is now - doing nothing will cause a lot of Caldari who've put in a lot of time to emoragequit FW and suddenly slapping the Gallente with a beatstick because they decided not to care about something that was always irrelevant before would do the same thing on the other side. I know some excessively hardcore Caldari militia members would love to say 'We beat the Frogs!' and go home, but that's not what would be best for EvE as a whole. FW still has the potential to be great and free wardecs are always welcome but it could be so much more.

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